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I went up North to see Turbinia last year. I spoke to the curator who let me have a poke about inside. Some of the 'internals' have been 'sectioned' and covered in 'plastic' so you can see the internal workings. They have also done this with a considerable portion of her hull as well. The original 'record breaking props' are not on the boat but another set. Parsons did loads of prop tests in a 'glass tank' and was apparently the first one to see 'cavitation' in action.
Bill any chance you could get in to the museum in the dead of night and 'borrow her' and get her working again. I will speak to the local Ch. Con who I know and get him to keep the lads away!!.

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Mike Bull wrote:
mtskull wrote:We have no way of knowing how much better future generations may be at gleaning information from old artifacts or what technology may one day exist to enable them to do so;
That's absurd- with that approach we'd do nothing, to anything, ever. 'Just in case'.

No, all that is necessary is to strike the right balance (admittedly, that is the difficult bit). Any approach becomes absurd if you take it to extremes, which is the point that I have been trying to make all along.
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I spoke to the curator who let me have a poke about inside.
The curator brought out all the files and reports on the vessel for me one afternoon and gave me the whole walk and talk tour because the idea of building a new Turbinia has been around for a while and I was interested (and still am) in being involved with that, one thing he doesn't do is let people 'poke about inside'. That's why they've let viewing panels into the side of the hull so visitors can have a look at the opened up machinery.
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From what I've seen of it, there's precious little of an inside to poke around in! Hence the fact that she has a big chunk of perspex for hull on her starboard side.
Yeah, we'd have to fix that to keep the water out and I know she was retired because one of her steam pumps was broken and she had to cripple home after her final outing but that'll fix too. Some of her decking is a smidge thin here and there but some doublers will see to that and her entire centre section is non-original so it might need looking at where it joins the keel to be sure she's strong enough for the occasional spin. Daresay the boiler won't have a current test cert' and the rest of the machinery could do with a strip and rebuild. Otherwise she's good to go - apart from being welded to the floor in a conservatory.
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I believe that though the stern of Turbinia was given back to be reunited with the bow, the original turbine/s are still in the possession of, and on show at, the Science Museum.
The early radial turbines might still be down there but the later, axial-flow machinery is still in the hull. She got crunched almost in two by a ship launched from the south side and after lying about the quay for a while the aft 45ft was lopped off and sent to the Science Museum who eventually gave her back without having to be asked - there's a first - but all her machinery remained intact throughout. And it was her air pump that went FUBAR, why did I say 'steam pump'? It's a well known fact that you can't pump steam.
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Her last run was in 1907 and she was supposed to escort Mauretania but her air pump packed up so she couldn't do it. She got crunched after that and was craned onto the quay where she lay until 1926 when they cut her back end off (and her bow). I know she was painted and looked after to an extent but she wasn't repaired so far as I'm aware.
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I'll ring the curator bloke later - he'll know. I have an original copy of the book issued by Parsons Marine Turbine Co. Limited somewhere too. Will go and look for it. It's been a while since I refreshed my Turbinia knowledge.
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Given that there are several Jaguar references in this thread, and that it's the 50th anmniversary of the Coventry firm's most famous product - the E Type - I know that there will be quite a few BBP supporters who will be interested in the attached story from the ARonline site. ARonline is edited by Keith Adams who is on the staff at Octane magazine and is a fund of automotive news and opinion, not all of it Longbridge related.

http://www.aronline.co.uk/blogs/tag/lin ... ar-e-type/

This is the fantastic restoration of the Lindner / Nocker "low-drag" coupe that had a brief career in the forefront of endurance racing. Sadly, Peter Lindner was killed in this car at the banked Motlhery circuit in Paris in 1964 after which the wreck was locked away, first by the French authorities, and later having been acquired by a private owner. For many years, this car has not only been the stuff of legend but - due to its significance as one of the most famous and importtant of all Jaguars - its story has been of great fascination to almost everyone who has studied the history of the products of the Browns Lane firm. Over the years, some reproductions of this car have been produced including at least one that claimed to have already been rebuilt from the crashed car. Hopefully, the myths will now be replaced by fact.

The similarities and connections between the story and rebuild of this E Type and that of Bluebird K7 are striking although the funding and facilities for the Jaguar's rebuild has clearly been more straightforward. Well done to the team at Bridgnorth for what is obviously a superb job and excellent craftsmanship but I do wonder if they will now receive the kind of negative comments that were prevalent in the earliest days of The Bluebird Project.
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Ian

Great story and what a fabulous rebuild! - the final result is breathtaking. I am a keen Jaguar fan -still run one now (at great expense) but missed this story completely until now. Thanks for sharing.

I always fancied an E Type and this has stirred the desire again.... :)

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Me too, and I've been lucky enough to have drives in quite a few down the years from (pre-Jaguar) SS1 onwards including several E Types and a Lynx D Type which is a personal favourite.

As with K7's rebuild, the controversy has not been long in arriving.
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