The Vulcan XH558 & General Aviation Thread

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Re: The Vulcan XH558 & General Aviation Thread

Post by mtskull » Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:05 am

Renegadenemo wrote:After a gazillion wreck dives I can say with absolute conviction that not everything you find on a wreck actually came from the wreck. Whatever that is doesn't look like it's been in seawater for seventy years and seeing as wrecks are the perfect dumping ground for any unwanted rubbish so far as fishermen are concerned (that way they tend not to trawl it back up again) it could have come from anywhere. How deep is the wreck? What are the tides like? If there's a lot of tide all manner of detritus wanders over the seabed to be collected by a wreck.
Having said that - I know as little about aeroplanes as I know lots about wreck diving so Mike might be along in a minute to say precisely what it is.
A very interesting point and one which I must confess I hadn't considered.

In answer to your queries: The wreck site (not a wreck as such, as it was blown up in the '60's by the locals who wanted it for the aluminium), lies in 17 metres. No tides to speak of, it's in the Med (or Ionian if you want to be precise) and too close inshore on a rocky bottom to be a bother to fishermen. It's strange but some parts which are definitely from the aeroplane come up pristine, and others are really badly corroded and encrusted.

The word is that the locals used abandoned German munitions to do the demolition, so that may be another line of enquiry worth following; meanwhile I think this capsule is going back where it came from..... :o

For those who may be interested, the aircraft is Beaufighter NE 595, shot down in July 1944. The pilot survived as a POW.
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Post by Renegadenemo » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:49 am

It's strange but some parts which are definitely from the aeroplane come up pristine, and others are really badly corroded and encrusted.
That's how it goes... put a bunch of metal parts into an electrolyte, and seawater is as good as any, and you get lots of batteries that strip electrons from the more reactive material to save the less reactive. Things like alclad where a layer of pure ally is rolled over a more reactive metal for corrosion protection often survives in mint condition as does pure ally, which isn't especially reactive and then there's the question of whether and how quickly the sea creatures and weeds can cover it all up.

I remember sitting on the seabed looking at a huge, triple-expansion steam engine and wondering why some of the dead man's finger sponges were ten times the size of their neighbours. Being unable to come up with an answer I swam over and pulled one of the big sponges off. That was a eureka moment because I realised that the sponges growing on the iron and steel parts of the engine could only attain a certain size before the material exfoliated and the sponge fell off but where they grew on non-reactive brass they could attain huge proportions by comparison. Out with the spanners...
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Post by quicksilver-wsr » Sun Jul 06, 2014 10:48 pm

The Waddington Air Show did not fail to excite this weekend. There will be no event next year due to an impending £35-million runway resurfacing/general upgrade, so the organisers threw everything bar the kitchen sink at this year's show and it could hardly have been more enjoyable.

One of the highlights was the solo display by a Turkish Air Force F-16. The pilot displayed the aircraft with tremendous gusto - really outstanding - but I hope he doesn't get into trouble for this ...

http://thelincolnite.co.uk/2014/07/vide ... -air-show/

(A similar "moment" involving a Typhoon at last year's show is also accessible via this link and is worth a look.)

Nigel

EDIT: I've added (14/07/14) an extra link, below, as the clip above is now much edited-down, unfortunately.

http://digg.com/video/turkish-f16-extre ... on-airshow

N.
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Post by quicksilver-wsr » Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:03 am

This is the best short clip I've seen to date of the Red Arrows, as far as capturing what it's like to backseat with the team out of their home base at Scampton ...

http://link.brightcove.com/services/pla ... 2684181001

I've not listened to the soundtrack, so apologies in advance if any accompanying commentary and/or music are naff.

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Red Arrows: Inside the Bubble

Post by Moonie » Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:03 pm

Hi all, thought this documentary may be of interest to people on here...

Red Arrows: Inside the Bubble - tonight (27/07/2014) @ 9pm BBC 2

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Post by Dominic Owen » Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:01 am

It'll fix.
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Post by Richie » Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:55 am

It's a big ask of an old girl to do a crossing like that... High risk too ! Would it not have been safer to box her up so to speak ? I know it would be a pain in the date but still ?!
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Post by Dominic Owen » Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:51 pm

Mike Bull wrote:Gremlins aside it should be a relative doddle- Lancs were of course designed to eat up the hours and there's a huge redundancy left in the machine if she lost an engine.

One thing I've read reckons that she'll be met and escorted in not only by our Lanc, but also by the Red Arrows, trailing red, white and red smoke after the Canadian flag. Could be quite the sight! :D
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Post by Pegasus » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:32 pm

Further details of the proposed schedule are here: http://www.warplane.com/lancaster-2014-uk-tour.aspx.

Should be quite something to have the two Lancs together and I've already booked my ticket for the tour at Coningsby!

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Re: The Vulcan XH558 & General Aviation Thread

Post by Dominic Owen » Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:04 pm

Mike Bull wrote:Seems that the eyes of the world made her No.2 engine go shy- she's still in her hangar tonight... :roll:
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I don't know what the fuss is about - she still has two spare! :lol: It's not as though she'll be carrying 10 tons of ordinance.
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