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Re: Return to the Water

Post by Renegadenemo » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:16 pm

I have contacts at Ullswater yacht club, they have a fantastic slip way, full facilities and rescue ribs etc etc, plus it’s a stones throw from numerous camping sites.
It's 10m deeper than Coniston (pulled a body out of the deep bit one time so I know) plus it would still be subject to interference from the Lackidasical bureaucrats. That said, I'd bet Ullswater Steamers and Glenridding would fall over themselves to have K7. Maybe we should ask them.
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Re: Return to the Water

Post by Malcolm Ops » Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:01 pm

Renegadenemo wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:16 pm
.... it would still be subject to interference from the Lackidasical bureaucrats.
There is a 1978 Byelaw for Ullswater. Ten miles per hour powered craft speed limit. No indication of any 'exemptions'. Anyone want a four year project?

Reminder for the non anoraks - the version of K7 being presented in the rebuild was particular to the '66/'67 attempt on Coniston Water.
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Post by Renegadenemo » Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:02 pm

Reminder for the non anoraks - the version of K7 being presented in the rebuild was particular to the '66/'67 attempt on Coniston Water.
Maybe we were a little presumptuous there. We should have built the 64 version to keep our options open. Wonder if we can get hold of a Beryl and get Dumbelyung on the phone.
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Re: Return to the Water

Post by conistoncollie » Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:12 pm

Future historians may refer to it as the 2018 Loch Fad version

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Post by Renegadenemo » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:03 pm

Future historians may refer to it as the 2018 Loch Fad version
Some Mike of the future will determine by reference to many photos that she took to the water with a different bilge-pump outfall, offboard control of the start solenoid and a fitting to admit compressed air. Ooooh!
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Re: Return to the Water

Post by Malcolm Ops » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:23 pm

Renegadenemo wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:02 pm
We should have built the 64 version to keep our options open. Wonder if we can get hold of a Beryl and get Dumbelyung on the phone.
An interesting thought about turning back time ................ lets just leave it as a thought, perhaps?
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Re: Return to the Water

Post by bluebirdsback » Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:47 am

I don't usually get involved with the politics and bull that has been thrown at us since I joined BBP in 2005 but I do take in and remember most of the crap that we have had to go through. First the hapless loony fund put us on hold for over a year. Then museioligists were telling us that it must be displayed as it is or we would be destroying history. Then came along one of these people with a bit of common sense and told us if the only way to do the job right was a total strip down. Probably need a crow bar and a good hammer to get some bits off it he remarked.
I was also present at the permit to run meeting where one of the committee seemed a bit concerned about the noise our boat would make. Again a man with some common reminded her that the R.A.F often did low level training in the area and if it were not for people with the spirit of the BBP back in the day they would be flying around with swastikas on the wings rather than roundels. So there are some people on these committees with common sense but unfortunately they are a rare breed.
As for the time it has taken whingers, I remember Bill putting out an open invitation for them to come and help out. They seemed to go very quiet after that and I cant remember a single one of them leaving their keypads and turning up.
And as mentioned before about anyone gaining from the project. I have to admit I have gained from it. Skills I would never have dreamed of before I joined. Comradeship is second to none, and that is counting my time in the armed forces. You cant buy that with money. Which by the way me and every member of the team has spent copious amounts on from their own pockets to work on the boat.
I really hope that one day the Coniston lot can get their heads into gear as I always thought that would be our first run. I live in hope.
One other thing Bill taught me that nothing is impossible. Pretty much true in the workshop, Getting sense or truth from bureaucrats or politicians I think there lies the flaw in that statement. But saying that I love Scotland and I hear that Bute hotels are filling fast for August so lets go for it up there.
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Re: Return to the Water

Post by Mike Bull » Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:12 am

Renegadenemo wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:03 pm
Some Mike of the future
I feel for him, the poor *******! :lol: :lol:
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Re: Return to the Water

Post by Renegadenemo » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:16 am

Coniston/LDNPA- do you want this, or don't you?
Coniston, I think yes, but they'll need someone to take charge and they'll all have to work together under whoever is in charge.

LDNPA - I think they don't know how to 'want' something. People who think a degree in Urban Sustainability is a real qualification exist by pushing paper in their own dull, intellectual homeostasis. There's no drop down menu or form to fill in for 'wanting something' so I suspect that's that and what we won't see is learning leading to beneficial change but idiocy heaped on idiocy in true HLF style. We'll see.
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Re: Return to the Water

Post by kneeslider » Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:55 pm

Even though I am no expert when it comes to dealing with the likes of the LDNPA, I recognize only too well their (and those of their ilk...) SOP when it comes to dealing with something new that they haven't encountered before.

After trying to find as many ways as possible to prevent event X from happening, then they have to go about claiming that this wasn't what they wanted at all, and that the other party who want event X to happen are the ones to blame and the source of all the unreasonableness.

Its classic 'owning the message' in the parlance of our time. Wasn't this the outcome from your previous adventure with a certain WWII naval aeroplane?

Tread very carefully when dealing with professional bureaucrats, this is their game, and the one which they are good at, to the exclusion of all else. It is easy to criticize their mentality when your mindset is all about getting things done. Their mindset is all about justifying their own existence and proliferating their own kind and the cost of employing them. You only have to look at the state of the world to see how good they are at this.

To beat them requires incredible persistence and rigour and logic and patience. All qualities that the BBP have in spades. At the end of the day just keep on asking why you can't take the boat for a paddle at Coniston? Its up to them to tell you, and then you have to knock down their argument publicly.

The best of British Luck!

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