Return to the Water

Post Reply
User avatar
Renegadenemo
Posts: 4939
Joined: Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:29 pm
Location: N E England
Contact:

Re: Return to the Water

Post by Renegadenemo » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:46 am

I am still wondering, but would it be reasonable to suggest that in 2019 that is how they want the return of K7 to proceed?
Do you mean at 10mph in the displacement condition?

Hey, how about we do two weeks of that in August. Advertise it well in advance, issue a press release then wallow up and down making noise and spray for a fortnight. We would, of course, have to explain to the world that we couldn't go any faster because the un-elected bureaucrats wouldn't let us and how the place was total chaos because Stonybridge hadn't lifted a finger for ten years to organise an event but what fun it would be.

Anyone up for it?
I'm only a plumber from Cannock...

"As to reward, my profession is its own reward;" Sherlock Holmes.

'Sometimes you gotta be an S.O.B if you wanna make a dream reality' Mark Knopfler

conistoncollie
Posts: 98
Joined: Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:17 pm
Location: Worcestershire

Re: Return to the Water

Post by conistoncollie » Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:45 pm

Question for the historians.
Just wondering what sort of official permissions Donald Campbell had to negotiate in 1966 in order to run Bluebird K7 on Coniston Water?

BFG
Posts: 15
Joined: Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:55 am

Re: Return to the Water

Post by BFG » Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:35 pm

Most probably still waiting for the official answer :roll:

Malcolm Ops
Posts: 150
Joined: Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:09 pm

Re: Return to the Water

Post by Malcolm Ops » Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:13 pm

Another word defined for us:

presumption
noun: presumption;
an attitude adopted in law or as a matter of policy towards an action or proposal in the absence of acceptable reasons to the contrary.
synonyms: assumption, supposition, presupposition, belief, thought, guess, expectation, judgement, surmise, conjecture, speculation, hypothesis, postulation, premise, generalization, inference, deduction, conclusion
"this presumption may be easily rebutted"

yup
Malcolm Ops

Derby, England

User avatar
midlife
Posts: 258
Joined: Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:59 pm
Location: Colne, Lancashire

Re: Return to the Water

Post by midlife » Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:42 pm

Awesome answer Barry[.]
Cheers
Wayne


.

User avatar
Renegadenemo
Posts: 4939
Joined: Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:29 pm
Location: N E England
Contact:

Re: Return to the Water

Post by Renegadenemo » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:07 pm

Most probably still waiting for the official answer :roll:
Gave me a good chuckle, did that...

The answer, as I understand it, is that he went to see the chap who owned Pier Cottage at the time and said,

"I say, old boy. Would you mind awfully if I brought the old girl over and tried to see a British boat first past the magic three hundred?"

And that was it. I doubt very much that he spent forty minutes on the phone to a confused jobsworth trying to explain that, no, there will be no application and, by the way, there's no such word as 'can't'.
I'm only a plumber from Cannock...

"As to reward, my profession is its own reward;" Sherlock Holmes.

'Sometimes you gotta be an S.O.B if you wanna make a dream reality' Mark Knopfler

User avatar
sheppane
Posts: 510
Joined: Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:03 am
Location: Chiswick, West London and Penrith, Cumbria.

Re: Return to the Water

Post by sheppane » Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:08 am

Renegadenemo wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:07 pm
Most probably still waiting for the official answer :roll:
Gave me a good chuckle, did that...

The answer, as I understand it, is that he went to see the chap who owned Pier Cottage at the time and said,

"I say, old boy. Would you mind awfully if I brought the old girl over and tried to see a British boat first past the magic three hundred?"

And that was it. I doubt very much that he spent forty minutes on the phone to a confused jobsworth trying to explain that, no, there will be no application and, by the way, there's no such word as 'can't'.
DC spoke to 4 parties to get the attempt signed off. FG Riding, Clerk of the Parish Council, Arthur Wilson, owner of Pier Cottage, Norman Buckley to arrange getting the course surveyed, and Lancashire police, within whose jurisdiction Coniston lay, agreed to provide an element of security and control at Pier Cottage, with Chief Constable Eric St Johnston communicating as much to Donald personally. DC only dealt with principals.
'When you go down into the arena, you know that sometimes, you're likely to get your nose punched. You do it with your eyes open. You take the risks'

Donald Campbell, Bluebird and The Final Record Attempt. https://www.facebook.com/bluebirdk7/

User avatar
Renegadenemo
Posts: 4939
Joined: Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:29 pm
Location: N E England
Contact:

Re: Return to the Water

Post by Renegadenemo » Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:09 am

DC spoke to 4 parties to get the attempt signed off. FG Riding, Clerk of the Parish Council, Arthur Wilson, owner of Pier Cottage, Norman Buckley to arrange getting the course surveyed, and Lancashire police, within whose jurisdiction Coniston lay, agreed to provide an element of security and control at Pier Cottage, with Chief Constable Eric St Johnston communicating as much to Donald personally. DC only dealt with principals.
Thanks for that interesting snippet, Neil. Certainly I knew none of that. My version came from a years-old negotiation to see whether Pier Cottage wanted us. They didn't, unless we spoke via their land-agent.
Dealing with the principals is the only way as we've proven over the years, and again with the Mount Stuart Trust on Bute, where the level of help and support from the community is ramping up exponentially.

Impossible task when there's no principal to deal with, though.
I'm only a plumber from Cannock...

"As to reward, my profession is its own reward;" Sherlock Holmes.

'Sometimes you gotta be an S.O.B if you wanna make a dream reality' Mark Knopfler

User avatar
mtskull
Posts: 644
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:32 pm
Location: West Yorkshire

Re: Return to the Water

Post by mtskull » Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:33 am

Just a rather tongue-in-cheek suggestion:

If all slse fails, how about that you just book a week at Pier Cottage caravan park?

After all, their website states: "To make the most of Coniston Water guests are welcome to bring canoes/boats........Boats are charged according to size; £2.50 -£5.50"

Keep a copy of the byelaw amendment handy and you're sorted. ;)
Obstacles are those frightful things you see when you take your eyes off your goals.

conistoncollie
Posts: 98
Joined: Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:17 pm
Location: Worcestershire

Re: Return to the Water

Post by conistoncollie » Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:58 am

Sounds like DC dealt with key individuals rather than committees.
Thanks for the info Neil, much appreciated.

A committee is a cul-de-sac down which ideas are lured and then quietly strangled. (Sir Barnett Cocks)

Post Reply