Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

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Post by Ernie Lazenby » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:53 pm

Malcolm. When that bye law was approved there was no intention of taking K7 to Bute or anywhere other than Coniston

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Post by Renegadenemo » Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:08 pm

Malcolm. When that bye law was approved there was no intention of taking K7 to Bute or anywhere other than Coniston
It would have gone to Coniston had they upheld their end of the deal but they didn't so, due to their repudiatory breach, they got to see what they could have won.
It's the business of anyone who has contributed towards the rebuild or the building of the Ruskin Museum extension.
So, seeing as my own personal contribution runs to six figures I ought to have quite a voice in all of this...

And without even having to ask them I know that our sponsors would be disgusted at the thought of that machine being locked away in a tiny museum and not shown off to the world. They would rather we stripped off all the parts they helped provide and bolt them to a new centre hull so we'd still all be able to enjoy a running machine.

But what is absolutely jaw-dropping is the lack of vision and foresight. So we take the boat to wherever - the museum comes too, hosts a black-tie dinner at a local hotel, books a few speakers and pockets six months worth of museum entrance money in one night while we do all of the hard work.

Duh! How stupid do people have to be to not see such opportunity?
I'm only a plumber from Cannock...

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Post by Richie » Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:21 pm

Bringing the Ruskin out of Coniston in order to attract people to Coniston... the advertising would be priceless, not to mention Vicky et al could talk to people on site whilst advertising the museum, talking about the Boat and the village, all the while selling merchandise from the Ruskin.

It’s a win win !

Meanwhile the good folk of Coniston and the great lands of Cumbria could be lynching the LDNPA.

ITS REVOLUTIONARY PEOPLE !!
Clarence come out ov zat tank at vonz !

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Re: Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

Post by JfromJAGs » Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:23 pm

Ernie Lazenby wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:50 pm
Joerg let's not get personal. It's the business of anyone who has contributed towards the rebuild or the building of the Ruskin Museum extension.
Honestly, I just wanted to know why you keep pushing this question. I didn't understand it, because my experience tells me that it's much better to not argue over unclear legal issues in public and especially not on forums or social media where the only way to express yourself are the keys of your keyboard.

I think most people want to see K7 run on the historic Coniston water again and also see here in the museum there - but seeing her on Bute, roaring and dabbling in Loch Fad is a completely different experience. I want more of this!

I trust the people in charge of these questions to find a good solution to all of this - and the less beeing argued about this in public, the better and easier it is for them.

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Post by ace_chris » Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:28 pm

The Bluebird revolution! Sounds good! Bill and the team are visionaries which threatens the narrow minded beaurocrats who like to look at dead machines locked up in museums.

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Post by Renegadenemo » Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:15 pm

Bill and the team are visionaries
Wow! That's a big word and thank you for putting it in the same sentence as us.

Have to say that when we're puzzling over a lost canopy or covered in kero or hyd oil we don't feel so visionary. It's just what we do to unwind and relax, how we get together and we had the greatest adventure in Bute and a lot of people were thrilled to watch us turning kero into gas and water into steam. Would be such a shame if that was that...
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Re: Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

Post by Malcolm Ops » Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:28 pm

Ernie Lazenby wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:53 pm
Malcolm. When that bye law was approved there was no intention of taking K7 to Bute or anywhere other than Coniston
Wrong!

Even when the Bye Law was 'approved' the BBP still had a number of alternative options in mind for the Proving Trial location. The LDNPA members did not approve any other running on Coniston Water which has forced the hand of the BBP. Whilst Bute was not named, the need for access to some other water was in the mind of BBP personnel for floatation, crew training and running of the craft.

"You never enter into any 'negotiation' without a fallback plan". With the BBP you may have two or three (or more) plans.
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Re: Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

Post by Ernie Lazenby » Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:36 pm

Malcolm. Well there has now been a proving trial location- Bute. The trials certainly proved K7 runs well and indeed at a speed faster than the 100mph it was intended to be run at on Coniston. That being so the original purpose of the Coniston Bye law has passed. To run it there now is beyond a proving trial is it not. Demonstration run(s). Does the bye law allow for multi runs or the one proving trial?
BTW Plans can be flawed. The hamster and Elvington comes to mind. An interesting report on that one. Any plan can fail to the unexpected or not considered possibility.

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Re: Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

Post by Malcolm Ops » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:01 pm

Ernie Lazenby wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:36 pm
there has been a proving trial location- Bute. That being so the original purpose of the Coniston Bye law has passed. To run it there now is beyond a proving trial is it not. Demonstration run. Does the bye law allow for multi runs or the one proving trial?

Plans can be flawed. The hamster and Elvington comes to mind. An interesting report on that one.
I am not able to talk about the second 'point' that you have raised, as BBC lawyers are still hovering in case anyone speaks about the Elvington happening twelve years later. I take it that you are pointing out the HSE report, which has been widely available in the last decade. If my name is entered in any search engine it brings up that report at about item five or six should any reader of this forum have missed that topic.

There has not been a 'Proving Trial' on Loch Fad on the Isle of Bute.

The Coniston Bye law stands - and any and all powered runs on Coniston Water are defined as either development runs or proving runs. The 'event' can still take place, should the LDNPA give permission. The Bye law defines and explains everything and is available to be read on the LDNPA website.

Not sure what "Demonstration run." means to you, but such a term is not defined in the Bye Law, so it would not be allowed on Coniston Water.
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Re: Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

Post by Ernie Lazenby » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:10 pm

Malcolm said 'There has not been a 'Proving Trial' on Loch Fad on the Isle of Bute'. semantics Malcolm.

Anyone watching the boat would conclude it was being tested/proved whatever.

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