Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

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Post by Healey nut » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:20 pm

Some keyboard commandos just wont let it go .
Thats not an oil leak , its my patent pending Old British Sports Car rustproofing system . :mrgreen:

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Re: Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

Post by Mike Bull » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:23 pm

Well said.

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Re: Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

Post by Malcolm Ops » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:34 pm

Ernie Lazenby wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:10 pm
semantics
"relating to meaning in language"

So 'anyone' will know more than the person in control of the crew training exercise. Your view may not be that of others who watched what was happening on Loch Fad. The crew and her pilots were learning each time K7 took to the water; was started; moved under power.

Words and language are important still. The Bye Law, that was approved by the Secretary of State, is for Coniston Water and that water alone.

If your interpretation Ernie were to be accepted widely, then Bluebird K7 will never be allowed on to Coniston Water. This would ruin any plans by the village for a Coniston Festival Event to host the Proving Trial (of K7) as its central feature.
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Post by Renegadenemo » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:43 pm

The trials certainly proved K7 runs well and indeed at a speed faster than the 100mph it was intended to be run at on Coniston.
Where that ever came from I have no idea. Certainly we never mentioned a specific speed, it may have been the press.

As for a proving trial on Loch Fad. At very best it can be described as partial. Deploy two safety boats over a mile course along with their rescue divers, firefighters and crew. Have them get into position after sweeping the course, scattering ducks or fishermen or both. Then they have to send back the wind data so we know we're in limits. Once that is done, Shoreside can tell Control that we're good to run and it falls between Control, the start boat and the pilot to execute a clean start and release.
Now add another four miles to that. It's not four times the work and coordination, it's twenty times. We came away from Loch Fad knowing how to launch and recover and operate over very short distances. To operate on Coniston is a whole new ball game so to imagining that Fad was any sort of a realistic trial is frankly naive.

And I'll also wager that the LDNPA and whoever else won't be able to get their act together to organise and promote an event at Coniston for 2019 and nor will terms be agreed for display, maintenance, conservation and further running by then either. With the full and dedicated support of the Isle of Bute and the MST, seven months was a push but we squeaked it. They have about ten months.

And I trust that the Hamster / Elvington thing wasn't a deliberate swipe at our Malcolm as that would be seriously below the belt.
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Re: Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

Post by Ernie Lazenby » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:47 pm

Healey nut wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:20 pm
Some keyboard commandos just wont let it go .
This is not personal just an observation;
The problem with forums is they are infested with people who seek to ingratiate themselves with 'the man' by agreeing with anything and everything to the point of being sycophants. Occasionaly a small number of well intentioned people stick heads above the parapet to offer contrary thoughts as a balance to the discusion only to find the sycophants getting animated whilst not offering any constructive counter thoughts. Such is life on forums.I generally find the type I refer to lack the fortitude to speak face to face with anyone to have an adult discussion.Those who know me know I am very direct, honest and open when speaking face to face with people as I am on here. I fear its attributes in short supply elswhere.

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Re: Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

Post by Ernie Lazenby » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:51 pm

Bill said 'And I trust that the Hamster / Elvington thing wasn't a deliberate swipe at our Malcolm as that would be seriously below the belt'.

I agree Bill not exactly a good example to chose. Apologies Malcolm. It was not a deliberate swipe at you merely used it because you were involved.

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Post by Renegadenemo » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:40 pm

The problem with forums is they are infested with people who seek to ingratiate themselves with 'the man' by agreeing with anything and everything to the point of being sycophants.
Alternatively, it could be that most folk agree that K7 running is of way more value than her gathering dust in a museum and that the failings of the LDNPA et al are a total disgrace.

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Re: Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

Post by Richie » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:57 pm

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People who seek to ingratiate themselves with 'the man' by agreeing with anything and everything to the point of being sycophants...
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So if one agree’s with Bill and not Ernie they are henceforth potentially a sycophant ?


Problem with most of what you are posting is it is being done with very little information or worse misinformation...

The saying goes “A little bit of information is a dangerous thing..”

The boat ran on Bute, tough noogies ! Had the LDNPA / CPC got their fingers out much much sooner, they wouldn’t be in the state they are in now. Yet instead of rising to the challenge, we are still hearing the whining and whinging from the hapless few, lips pussed as they desperately claw at the azure blue K7 shaped teet for which they so desperately wish to suckle from.

I am getting tired of it now, miring our success in nonesensical irrelevant, incorrect rants...

For me, the Ruskin need to make direct contact with Bill ASAP and discuss what happens next, on paper, signed and completed...... I will spontaneously combust before I see my hard work mothballed and mounted on a plinth.

Let’s be clear here as folk don’t seem to be grasping it STILL.

Dealing with Coniston regarding the trials, and dealing with the Ruskin are not the same thing.
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Re: Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

Post by Healey nut » Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:04 am

Ernie Lazenby wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:47 pm
Healey nut wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:20 pm
Some keyboard commandos just wont let it go .
This is not personal just an observation;
The problem with forums is they are infested with people who seek to ingratiate themselves with 'the man' by agreeing with anything and everything to the point of being sycophants. Occasionaly a small number of well intentioned people stick heads above the parapet to offer contrary thoughts as a balance to the discusion only to find the sycophants getting animated whilst not offering any constructive counter thoughts. Such is life on forums.I generally find the type I refer to lack the fortitude to speak face to face with anyone to have an adult discussion.Those who know me know I am very direct, honest and open when speaking face to face with people as I am on here. I fear its attributes in short supply elswhere.
I rest my case :mrgreen:
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Re: Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

Post by Malcolm Ops » Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:09 am

Ernie Lazenby wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:36 pm
proved K7 runs well and indeed at a speed faster than the 100mph it was intended to be run at on Coniston.
I do urge evryone to read fully what is written in any public document. The figure of 100mph is stated in the Bye Law for the development runs. This is a 'control' figure that the LDNPA were content with during that phase of the programme. I have been told that they will have a radar gun available. The number of development runs that can be made has no limiting number applied to them. The crew could wear the boat out if they wanted to!

Following the development runs, the management of the boat undertaking the proving trial (note that it is a singular event - boring repetition I know, but the members voted me down on other running) - can then allow the boat K7 to undertake twelve (12) proving runs. There is no speed figure stated in that paragraph. Without looking back at the paper I know, because Bill and I wrote the words!

If my past involvement with Primetime and 'Vampire' is of concern to any of the BBP crew I will of course stand down from any further involvement. Bill has always been briefed on my CV and he sometimes looks at me in a surprised fashion when I open a discussion with the words "yes, I am the Malcolm Pittwood named in the HSE report of the crash of the jet car by Richard Hammond". The LDNPA senior officer noted my words in 2007 and we moved on to (eventually) obtain a Bye Law.

I get called out for 'semantics', but everything that is written down is put in black and white for a reason and in this case I view it as deliberate.
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